Talk:Hakim Bey

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I have a problem with this article. Articles about pedophiles should not be included on this site. InvisibleFriend 04:32, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

I kinda think the idea behind a Wiki is to document everything without taking a political opinion on it. We have some articles on other zinesters that have been accused of some not so nice things like sexual assault and battery. And I'm sure this sort of thing will crop up when someone lists a white power zine at some point, so it's good to have a discussion about it now. Do we want to delete articles because their subjects are things we morally object to or are criminal? Where to we draw the line? Do we set up guidelines or take them on a case by case basis? I don't know how Wikipedia addresses these types of issues, maybe Alan can shed some light, it's definitely a conundrum.

I personally think the article should be kept, but it should definitely include information about his pedophilia and the controversy it's caused in the anarchist community. I'd support putting a disclaimer in the article spelling out that including the article in no way shows the editors of ZineWiki support it's subject, but that it's included because even though this dude is a creepy motherfucker, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia-like resource and serve as a history and snapshot of the entire zine community, which isn't always nice and well-meaning. The way it's written now seems to ignore the controversy and brush it under the rug. I also think it should be edited down to focus more on his contributions to zines and the zine community if the article is kept. dan10things 12:03, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

"He is a public propagandist for child rape, sexual abuse and exploitation" feck that's terrible. It depends on Zinewiki's policy. I think there is a difference between being accused of something, like Dan mentioned above, and advocating that stuff that it appears this guy does. Accusations could be included on a zinesters page, if there are such zinesters like that written about on zinewiki and if such accusations have been documented.... it is a tough one. I think this page could be deleted because of his open advocacy of such things....--Eugenepunk 06:56, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

I agree with dan10Things. Keep the article, and keep in his views on pedophilia. It's not right to not have a page about him because people disagree with some of his life choices. He has obviously been extremely influential (sounds like someone else huh?) But it would be foolish not to mention what he advocates. That's my two cents. Joshmedsker

Hi, I haven't been here for long, but I personally think that it's important to keep his article here, with all the disclaimers intact. Until I viewed this page (earlier in the year) I was completely unaware of Hakim Bey's peadophila, and had only ever heard of him discussed (usually in positive terms) in regards to T.A.Z. I have even, in the past, recommened the theory of T.A.Z to people, as a way of understanding things like rave culture. I would definately not have done that if I'd known the full picture about Hakim Bey! It makes me sick to think that I have unintentionally supported the work of a paedophile. So, in the interest of promoting awareness of the full picture, I think it's worth keeping this article.