Talk:Main Page/Archive 2

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Editing/Style Information

I'm not sure if this would go in the Manual of Style or some sort of ZineWiki Editing Guide, but I'm noticing a lot more entries where people are entering their own zine and profile and not listing them like an online encyclopedia listing, but more as self-promotion. Stuff like plugging their new issue and ordering info (which will be old a year from now, so the listing will need constant updating), throwing in jokes and profanity, etc. It's hard to edit and clean up those entries because A. They are such a mess and B. I feel sorry editing out people's humor and creativity. But in the long term, those things probably are not wanted in entries, which I think should be more encyclopedia-like, facutal, and be able to stand the test of time. Can we spell this out for people up front better so there is less editing that needs to be done later? Thoughts? dan10things 12:30, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

I agree completely, but before we can say anything to those people we need to have a Manual of Style that we can reference and give them a link to. Kate volunteered to write one a while ago, I just need to keep on her about that or ask someone else. The Manual of Style was something I mentioned in the email this morning to you guys because I do think it's an important mising piece. Alan Fall of Autumn 14:54, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

OK, I started the ZineWiki:Manual of Style, but I don't have time to fill it out right now. But hopfully it will be the first step to getting it going. dan10things 15:18, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks much Dan! I will add to it over the weekend and hopefully we can get it to a state where we can link new users to it for reference. Alan Fall of Autumn 15:41, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Category naming guidelines

(comments moved to ZineWiki talk:Manual of Style )

Noticing various categories that could be subcategories of major categories. Example: “Category:Virginia Zinesters” could be subcat of “USA zinesters” category (that USA category doesn't exist yet), and “USA zinesters” cat could be subcat of a geographic category (perhaps “Zinesters by geography”?). --EarthFurst 19:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Wikipedia has some category naming guidelines that I think would be useful. Example: "do not capitalize regular nouns except when they come at the beginning of the title". So I like the name of Category "Zines by country" (make a subcategory of Category:Zines ?).

I noticed Zinewiki zine-country category names (example: Zines from the U.S.A.) seems to be different from Zinewiki zine-state category names (example: California Zines category. Which i think should be renamed to "California zines" (lower case "z") or "Zines from California" or "Zines published in California"). --EarthFurst 22:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Most of the categories were here when I arrived. I have changed a few. I started the Category "Zines from..." to be categorized according to country. "Zines from" works better for countries, because when looking for a country within categories they are all together alphabetically under 'Z'. This is so much easier than searching through all the categories for the countries you are interested in, in my opinion. However, some of the categories for States and Provinces in the U.S., Canada and Australia had already been created so I didn't change them. If you would like to change the names of all the Provinces and States to use a lower case 'z', then you are welcome to do so. It will mean editing all of the zines here, since almost all of them have a category designation of State or Province if it was possible to obtain this information.

I think, as per your suggestion, it would be very useful to make the various Provinces and States subcategories of the countries. If I had to choose what I wished you spend time doing, I would choose that particular task for you, fi you wouldn't mind :) InvisibleFriend 05:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Another thought about categories. Wondering what exact scope of zinester state categories are (example Category:California Zinesters). When a zinester moves away from California, should they still be listed in that category? Or should there be a category named something like "Zinesters_who_were_in_California"? --EarthFurst 22:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

When a zinester moves they very often will come and change the information themselves. if they don't, and we can find the information, we will change it. Otherwise we will leave it, since this is where the last zine they published came from, so this might very well be where people looking for the zine or zinester will look.InvisibleFriend 05:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

Hi everybody! I've noticed that most article feature the same info spewed out in paragraph form. Descriptions are short and messy and nobody's sure what exactly to add. If we had an infobox, tho, we could standardize things a little. Something like:

{{{Title}}} {{{Picture}}} {{{Author}}} {{{Topics}}} {{{Publication Place}}} {{{Publication Years(s)}}} {{{# of issues}}} {{{Official Website}}} Etc.

Not all sections would be mandatory, so we could add whatever info we have.Oystermind 14:19, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

• Hey Oystermind, I tried using infoboxes when ZineWiki first started, but I couldn't get them to work. There are a lot of template files that the Infoboxes rely on, and I'm not familiar enough with advanced wiki code to create them all. If you know someone who is, I would love for them to help out and could give them temp admin status so they could create the needed pages. Alan Fall of Autumn 11:37, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Featured Article

Want to nominate an article for the monthly feature on the front page? (No self-promotion, please.) Jerianne 00:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion for Cover Page

I noticed that Jerianne was asking for suggestions for cover articles on another talk page I can't seem to access any more. I'd like to nominate Loserdom for next month. InvisibleFriend 11:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Great suggestion, I'll put it up shortly. dan10things 02:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

For next month, I nominate Not My Small Diary: I added a cover image and updated it recently.InvisibleFriend 23:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Spotted this too late, let's do this for May. Usually I just go by the "popular pages" search and pick the most popular page that hasn't been featured that's a full enough article. Originally Alan was changing it every week, but started to slack on it and switched it to once a month. I'd be all for switching it weekly again, it keeps the main page more fresh and interesting. We just have to make sure we have enough thorough articles that include a picture. Which I think we do now to go weekly for at least 6 months. Opinions? dan10things 18:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Policies & Style Manual

I'd like to see us try to develop some set policies, similar to the ones they use at Wikipedia (see also this article on Biographies of living persons). Obviously we'll have some differences, but I think spelling out our policies about who and what we include and why, when we will remove an article, how we will respond to requests from people who want entries about them removed, writing with a neutral point of view, etc. will go a long way to mitigating problems before they occur. I'd also like to see us try to develop the ZineWiki:Manual of Style. Having a style manual will also help us make sure entries are more consistent. Jerianne 00:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, everything should be up front, spelled out, and transparent. I could try first crack at it, user:InvisibleFriend, could I talk you into helping? dan10things 19:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help. I think a style manual could be a good reference point to refer to, and prevent arguments that may develop as a result of editing. One suggestion I have is that statements zine editors may wish to make in their articles, whether personal, or political, or aesthetic, be done so by using quotes from their zines. I guess we can talk further about ideas such as this as we are developing the manual.InvisibleFriend 00:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I just discovered this existing ZineWiki:Deletion_Policy_discussion. Should we use this as a starting point in our current efforts to form a Deletion Policy? Jerianne 01:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

This seems good to me. I think we've been following these guidelines (more or less) all along, even though I know I've never seen that page before. One of the very useful suggestions is to make mention of articles to be deleted on this very talk page. I will do that from now on, if that works for everyone else. That way we can look at each article and discuss it, and form our policies around actual articles. Sound good? InvisibleFriend 02:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Date Style Consistency

We need consistency on date editing. Is it 1990s or 1990's? Is it '90s or 90's? I think the apostrophe is supposed to only go where it's replacing letters dropped out, so it should be 1990s and '90s. I'm pretty sure that's how it is in the AP style guide. Agree or disagree? Either way, we need to make it consistent. dan10things 02:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately we probably won't be able to agree, since British usage normally indicates an apostrophe (1990's) whereas American usage, as per the Associated Press guide (I notice the board of directors of AP are all American, so would I be correct in assuming it's an American company?), indicates otherwise (1990s). Check 'The Guardian', or any other British newspaper, and you'll see this usage of the apostrophe is common. The same is true for Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Canada. We would have to ask the user BelcoBoy to be sure, but I think this might be common practice in Australia as well. On a practical note, I've already created the categories "2000's publications", "1990's publications" and so on and, considering the amount of zines included, I'd rather not go back and change each one if it's possible to avoid it. I'm not sure how to resolve this inconsistency, other than to acknowledge that Zine Wiki is based in the U.S., and American-run, so if this is your preference, then we can accommodate you. I could argue that usage of the English language in England is inherently correct, but I wouldn't want to get in trouble! ; ) InvisibleFriend 22:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Library Holdings

During the Zine Librarian (Un)Conference this weekend, there has been a lot of discussion with coming up with a joint catalog that we could all use and have access to. In the interim, we are considering ways we could use ZineWiki to get information centralized or organized. One idea we discussed was adding a subheading to zine articles to list library holdings (in other words, what libraries own a particular zine). What do you think about this idea? Jerianne 19:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm down, that means we'd have to have access to each zine libraries' catalog or they would have to add those tags themselves. Since this means essentially tagging almost every zine article, we should think about any other types of tagging we'd want to do at the same time. It would be cool to get the various zine librarians all to agree on a unified list of subject/genre tags instead of each library/resource creating their own. dan10things 23:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

We have a volunteer who is willing to work on this -- is there anyone opposed? Actually, I see that InvisibleFriend has been adding some collection holding information. I do think that we should have a subheading (or something) to break that out from the main text, which would allow for a bulleted list of libraries/collections (like we would do for a bibliography list or external links). Jerianne 00:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I've been adding in information about particular collections I've come across. When I first started doing this, I hadn't remembered that you'd brought this up here before, but I do think it's a great idea. That way readers can see which libraries near them they could go to in order to look at a particular zine. If we have a volunteer to help that would be very beneficial, because, for instance, I'm aware of an archive listed here at zine wiki that has in excess of a thousand titles. I would like to see the donors honoured by keeping the title of the collection under their name - in other words, I've created the category "Sarah and Jen Wolfe Zine Collection", rather than "The University of Iowa Zine Collection". That's my personal preference. Having a subheading would be a good idea if there are going to be a lot of collections/libraries listed. I also think they should each be their own unique category. and then they could all be a subcategory of "Zine Archives" or whatever anyone wanted to name this category.InvisibleFriend 02:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

While it is nice to recognize the donors, if the collection is a named collection, we definitely also need to include where the collection is (because not all collections will be named). For those collections that are not named, I would suggest we use the name of the library/organization instead. Jerianne 13:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I've been adding that information on the pages of the zines, for instance "This Zine is in the Sophia Smith Zine Collection at Smith College", and then on the category page I mention the State and City where it's located. I also put an external link to the actual Zine Collection page, mentioning the library or University or College where it's located. I try to provide as much information as is needed for a reader to actually be able to go see the collection. InvisibleFriend 17:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

We do already have a category called "Zine Library" (which I think should be changed to "Zine Libraries," as per our discussion at ZineWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style). Someone needs to make sure that each of the identified collections is listed in that category. Also, rather than put external links to each collection within the zine pages, I think the external link should go in the description for the category description. If we do this right, we should have dozens or more collections listed for many zines, and that will really clutter the external links. I think the external links should be only for links specifically related to the zine. For examples, see these edits: Zine World, Sarah and Jen Wolfe Zine Collection, West Coast Zine Collection. Jerianne 13:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Should the heading we use be "Library Holdings"? I notice some articles already mention that zines are part of an archive, and I know there are a lot of G & L Archives that keep zines, and these archives aren't a part of a library. Should we perhaps use a more general heading such as "Archives"? InvisibleFriend 19:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the term "library" over "archive," because "archive" has more of a historical connotation. From a semantics standpoint, I think you could argue that an archive could also be considered a library but a library should not necessarily be considered an archive. Are we otherwise agreed on how to format the listings (using a subheading to break out the holdings from the zine description, using the external link on the page about the collection (not on each individual zine), etc.)? Jerianne 13:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I also prefer "library" (or "libraries") over archives, primarily because I think that zines are more likely to be item level cataloged in discrete collections in libraries than in archives. Jenna 17:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not especially conversant in wiki categories and such, so I'm not sure how much I can contribute to this discussion on a "how to do it" basis. I'll just say I'm all for holdings info being included, and that I think I can get volunteers to chip away at adding Barnard's holdings (and searching the web and WorldCat to include other libraries that have the item being added). Jenna 17:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Another issue that we need to consider is that of issues. How do we indicate which libraries have which issues of a serial zine? Is it "No. 1 Barnard, Smith, and Linebaugh," "No. 2 Linebaugh" etc. or "Barnard, no. 1. Smith no. 1. Linebaugh nos. 1 and 2"? Jenna 17:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's time to block anonymous users from editing

ZineWiki seems to be getting hit pretty hard now with anonymous article creation that's spam. While I loved leaving ZineWiki as open as possible to editing, I think we've probably reached the point where we should make people create an account before getting editing privileges. It would drastically reduce the spam listings. Thoughts? dan10things 23:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. InvisibleFriend 17:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

We've changed it so you have to be signed in to create a new page/article. Currently anonymous users can still edit, though. I'd prefer to leave it that way for a little while longer, to encourage more response to the policy discussions (unless the spam gets unbearable). Jerianne 00:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I like that change! Ideally we want to keep things as open as possible to encourage new contributors and editors and keep things growing. But the level of spam, as well as having some sort of method for following up with questions on entries, I think necessitates asking people to sign up for an account. It can still be pretty anonymous. dan10things 22:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Since we've had the new policy I have noticed that there is no decrease in spam from anonymous users - they are just using the talk pages. In fact, I think it's increasing. Yet there has been a noticeable lack of new entries for zines. I think our new create an account policy is deterring the wrong group! Perhaps we need to rethink this policy and figure out something else. Is it possible to trace the spammers to their servers and lodge complaints with them? Or block all entries from a particular web server? Whatever we do, we don't want to discourage editors from writing about their zines! InvisibleFriend 19:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

So we've seen that our actions only served to move the spam over to creation of talk pages. We changed it so you had to be signed in to create a page/article but not to create a talk page. Should we also ban nonregistered users from creating new talk pages? Jerianne 01:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we probably should try it. There wasn't any negative feedback that I've heard from making people register to edit. They can do so fairly anonymously and it would cut down on the daily editing of spam, that our hero IvisibleFriend is deleting the most of. dan10things 18:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, we're going to block them from creating talk pages. Jerianne 16:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Nominated for Deletion

• Planetary Previews
• KART: Magazine Of Multiplicity
• User:On Wednesday

I moved this one and stubbed it, it looks like a legit zine article, although not very complete.dan10things 23:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I removed the delete tag from Planetary Previews, since someone wrote in to say that it is, in fact, a zine, and cited some zine writers who wrote for it. I also removed the delete tag form KART, since upon further research, I discovered it's connected to the mail art world more than the fine art world, so it's not a commercial enterprise by any means. So it looks like these are all resolved now!InvisibleFriend 04:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Not Sorry EP See talkpage, please.InvisibleFriend 04:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Oct 3, with a consensus of three editorsInvisibleFriend 19:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Zine Index Number This is something that Alan made up on his own, and I see no indication that it is actually in use by any library or has any basis in reality. Jerianne 01:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I have no problem with deleting it. To my knowledge we've never actually used these numbersInvisibleFriend 16:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

New Category

I created the category "Zine Tour", so if anyone is writing articles about a zine tour (I noticed there are a lot of zine tours listed on Joe Biel page waiting to be written), then the category is available to be used InvisibleFriend 07:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

events calendar on Main Page?

What do you think of having an events calendar on this wiki's Main Page? (example: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Template:Upcoming_events appears on English Wikifur main page.) --EarthFurst 03:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea! How exactly would we do it? InvisibleFriend 18:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

First step would be to start a template .. Perhaps at Template:Upcoming events. Once the template is presentable, then add {{Upcoming events}} to Main_Page (below the "First Time Here?" box seems like one location that is available). --EarthFurst 02:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Template started. When {{Upcoming events}} added to main page it should appear as (see below) except not as wide.

edit

Upcoming events

2012: October 21: Canzine Toronto (Ontario) November 17: Canzine West (British Columbia) 2013: March 8-9: Chicago Zine Fest (Illinois) June 20-23: Allied Media Conference (Michigan) July: 24 Hour Zine Thing 2013 TBA: April?: Kazoo! Zine & Comic Expo (Ontario) August?: Portland Zine Symposium (Oregon) September?: Pittsburgh Zine Fair (Pennsylvania) September?: Twin Cities Zinefest (Minnesota) October?: FANZINES! (festival) (Paris) other: previous March 20, 2010: Boston Zine Fair (Massachusetts) defunct (but someone else could start a BZF): Brighton Zinefest (Brighton) defunt or hiatus?: London Zine Symposium (London)

List of zine events - map?

--EarthFurst 00:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that looks great. Let's see what Jerianne and Dan think. Jerianne? Dan? What do you think of this?InvisibleFriend 09:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Love the idea! I definitely think we need some re-vamping of the main page. Drop some of the repetitive stuff, add some more dynamic content, a calendar is one of the things I was thinking about. I have an email in to Jerianne about some of these ideas, but haven't heard back. Unfortunately I can't edit the template of the first page, I think only Denny can. dan10things 20:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm indifferent about the events calendar. I think that there are other places where people can go to access such info -- WeMakeZines and Zine World -- but if you guys want it, it's cool with me. I haven't figured out how to make templates work yet, myself. Jerianne 23:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

As I originally stated, I like the idea, but it has to be kept up to date. I don't know how templates work either, so who will do the work? That's the real question! In my view, if it becomes ignored and out dated, it should come down since it will give the impression the entire site is inactive. InvisibleFriend 02:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Event list can be edited either by

a) going to http://zinewiki.com/Template:Upcoming_events (and then clicking on "edit" link)

OR

b) clicking on "edit" link at the top-right corner of the "Upcoming events" box.

As for who will do the work, whichever ZineWiki contributors who have the time. I should be getting more free time starting early in May, so hopefully I will edit ZineWiki more often. --EarthFurst 21:54, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

grey box

By the way, the "NOTE: Before adding a project to ZineWiki, please browse the Previously Featured Articles ..." grey box on the Main Page isn't text-wrapping. --EarthFurst 02:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah. I think it is because Template:Note has "nowrap" in code. --EarthFurst 04:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

categories discussion?

Where should suggestions about categories about categories be posted? I was thinking of posting category suggestions to Talk:Wiki tags --EarthFurst 04:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Earth Furst. You can post about category suggestions right here if you like. InvisibleFriend 04:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

(question moved to ZineWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style )

Earth Furst

Earth Furst, why are you changing all the categories? You're changing all the capital Z zines as in New York Zines to lower case, without discussing it with anyone first. Can you please put them all back? I'll tell you why - because that's what everyone is accustomed to, and the people who do all the work here will soon be wondering why none of the categories are working when they type in a category in the way they are accustomed to do so. If you don't wish to change it all back, fine, just leave it and I will do it all, but please don't do anymore. There was never a discussion about this that I can recall, and most certainly not a consensus with the editors and admins. Thank youInvisibleFriend 06:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Earlier this month you replied "If you would like to change the names of all the Provinces and States to use a lower case 'z', then you are welcome to do so" and nobody posted an objection. I apologize for changing non-geographic categories (example: Comic_Zines to Comic_zines) without explicitly asking, I made an assumption (since no one objected to the province/states Z-to-z change and no one objected to my suggestion of creating categories "USA zinesters" and "Zinesters by geography" .. but then it seems that there are no replies on that "zinesters"/"by geography" suggestion.) --EarthFurst 17:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, I did write that, it's my mistake. As you say, no one objected, but I am concerned that I should have more actively pursued a response from other editors. Dan and Jerianne, how do you feel about this? I think what we need to do is make a decision and then include this information in the ZineWiki:Manual of Style so that everyone knows exactly what to do.

What concerns me is that long time editors will be coming and creating entries using the familiar capitalization, and wondering why various categories aren't working. Many of these people don't necessarily check the talk pages to see what's happening. If we can make this decision and include it in the manual of Style that would help a lot. And let's put a link to the manual of Style on the front page, ok?

In regards to the Wikipedia "category naming guidelines", I would personally rather not use their guidelines. At Wikipedia this necessitates altering titles of well known books and movies simply to fit into their guideline: I would rather we faithfully record the titles of zines in terms of capitalisation (or not). I feel this way in regards to other names as well, so that Riot Grrrl doesn't become Riot grrrl, as I've seen it mistakenly written. I would prefer to respect the intentions of the writers, artists, and others who are the originators of these titles and names, rather than insisting they be subject to a guideline ruling. This is another matter we should probably discuss, so that everyone's opinion can be heard.

Again, this is my mistake, so please bear with me until we hear from the other editors. InvisibleFriend 21:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if they are capitalized or not as long as it's consistent throughout the Wiki and we can add it too the Manual of Style. And I agree, would should have a link to the style manual on the front page. I'm bugging Jerianne again about front page changes, she's got a lot on her plate and I haven't heard back from her after my last email. dan10things 19:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. I agree that we should figure out a scheme for category naming and make it consistent. I also prefer to see zine titles capitalized or not according to how it's presented in the zine -- some capitalize regular headline style, some use no capitalization at all. Personally, I like the aesthetics of having general category names follow headline-style capitalization. (Do most wikis follow Wikipedia's category naming guidelines?) Just because we've always done it that way doesn't mean we have to keep doing it that way -- but let's make a logical decision one way or the other. Also regarding guidelines, I like the idea that topic categories are singular, but list categories are plural. Alas, there is a lot of work to be done on these kinds of issues for the manual of style. Perhaps the discussion would be best moved over there? Create a page to set out the rules of category naming (or whatever) and use the talk page for it? Jerianne 00:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea, to discuss this on the Manual of Style talk page. I was wondering, can be get the link for the Manual of Style put onto the main page? I think people need to be able to find it easily. InvisibleFriend 02:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC) I'm going to copy some to this over to the Manual of Style discussion page so we can continue talking about this thereInvisibleFriend 02:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, you can easily get to the Manual of Style by clicking the Help link, which is on the main navigation. I think we need to discuss changes to the main page and the navigation menu comprehensively, as there are several things I think should be changed. In the mean time, we could incorporate the Manual of Style link into the First Time Here section on the main page. Done. Jerianne 13:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Small Press Expo ?

Ok for Zinewiki to have article about Small Press Expo ? (spxpo.com - indy comics convention) --EarthFurst 18:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

For that matter, would it be ok to have article about APE (Alternative Press Expo) (comics convention of self-publishers and alternative cartoonists). --EarthFurst 18:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not, as long as the articles are about self-published material, and not from companies. We've always had categories for comic zines, and minicomics, and would love to have more additions! We also have articles about a number of alternative comics artists whose work appears in zines and self published publications, and if you are familiar with these artists your articles would be much appreciated. There is also a List of Minicomics Creators that has many artists and titles that have no article, any help there would be great too! Thanks Earth Furst! InvisibleFriend 19:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me if you can work zines or its relevance to the zine scene in. dan10things 19:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it makes sense, since zinesters and minicomic publishers participate in these events. Jerianne 00:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

List of Distros

Hello! I've been updating a few of the distro pages, and I think the List of Distros page should be deleted. It seems like the Category: Distro page covers the exact same information, with the added benefit of not having to be manually updated. Any thoughts on that possibility? Thanks!! --Bluestocking 16:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree and second the nomination! I much prefer to have a category page that's automatically updated than to have to go in and update the info every time you add a new distro. Plus the dead distros come up in their own category and I think it's useful to separate the current distros from the historical list of distros for people. dan10things 19:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've updated the List of Distros page so that all but three of the "Not Yet Written" articles have been written. For those three:

• Aquarium Gallery and Bookshop - has been deleted
• OK Comics - is still around, but their website doesn't mention zines, so I'm hesitant to write an article
• Sister George Distro - my Googlefu has failed me, I can't find enough info to make even a stub article

Colouring Outside The Lines says issues are available at OK Comics. Try OK website again when their catalog is back up? --EarthFurst 00:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

So, is everybody on board with deleting the page, then? What's the next step? --Bluestocking 22:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleting List of Distros sound good to me. I think the next step is all the links to the list are changed (how about to a short "distro" article similar to zinester article?). And then a sysop deletes the page. --EarthFurst 00:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I think that sounds like the right thing to do! Jerianne 03:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

references

Using <ref>Example reference</ref> and <references /> doesn't result in text that would show up in a references section. Add footnote reference feature to ZineWiki? --EarthFurst 11:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Printed zine format

Do you know where I can get a zine template, preferably in an OpenOffice or MS Word format, or if necessary, a desktop publishing format? Obviously in a zine, the pages have to be set up differently than in other documents. E.g., on the first sheet, in landscape format, the left column or half is actually the back cover of the zine and the right half is the front cover. On the flip side of that sheet, the left half is page one, and the right half is the last page. And so on. How do I set this up elegantly in a word processing application? Basically what I want to be able to do is copy and paste other documents into my zine template and create a zine just like that. Thanks, Nathan Larson 19:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)